#120 Dr. Gary Shilling On Recession Risk, Inflation, Rate Cuts, And Bonds

Dr. A. Gary Shilling, President of A. Gary Shilling & Co., an economic consulting firm and a registered investment advisor, joins Julia La Roche on episode 120 for a wide-ranging conversation on the economy. In this episode, Dr. Shilling predicts an imminent recession, citing key indicators such as the inverted yield curve and actions of the Federal Reserve, which is determined to curb inflation even at the risk of triggering a recession. He expects the Fed to be slower in cutting rates in the event of a recession, emphasizing their focus on ensuring inflation is under control and considering the labor market's slower response to economic changes. Elsewhere, Shilling explores the correlation between Treasury bond yields and inflation, indicating that excess supply leads to lower inflation and, thus, lower interest rates. He believes the peak of interest rates has been reached and expects a rally in Treasuries.  He also shares his investment approach, favoring long treasuries, the US dollar, and short positions in stocks and commodities like copper. He's skeptical about the potential of commercial real estate and sees it as a current bubble. 0:00 Welcome Dr. Gary Shilling to the show 0:53 Macro picture today, recession outlook  3:40 Federal Reserve’s 2% inflation target  4:30 Globalization  6:30 Rates and inflation  12:18 Bond market  15:20 Hard landing  18:13 What’s ahead for the Fed?  20:00 Higher for longer? Maybe, but I’m not convinced 21:17 Winners and losers in this environment?  23:44 Oil  26:26 U.S. Dollar outlook  28:09 Agnostic on gold  29:13 Bullish on Treasuries  30:46 Housing  37:37 A contrarian?  40:27 Commercial real estate bubble  42:46 Forecasting as an art  46:00 Beekeeping  51:20 Parting thoughts